Transcript: Construction & Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals Meeting
Wednesday, September 23, 2026
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Chair
Good afternoon, I now call the City of Dover Construction Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals meeting to order. I will entertain a motion to accept the agenda.
Play from 00:03Chair
We need you, we need you. All right, so we just uh had a motion to adopt the agenda. It's been moved by Mr. Campana, we're just waiting for a second.
Play from 01:01Chair
Okay, it's been properly moved and seconded to accept the agenda. Uh any any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please state by saying aye.
Play from 01:12Chair
Any opposed? The ayes have it. Motion is The agenda is adopted. Okay. Um, first and foremost, uh how we normally do this before we go into the first item, I'll just explain to everyone that uh we're going to let code enforcement present what what the case is and and give their side. And then um we may have a discussion, or we may not, and we may go directly into um the the uh per- the appellant's um to to to to give us th- your side basically.
Play from 01:25Chair
All right. So first uh item on the agenda is uh the appeal of the case uh number 25-00003259 and related fines at 118 uh Mitscher Mitscher Mitscher Mitscher Road. Um, I will pass it on to Who's got that one, you? Sierra, Miss Brown, you you can uh let us know what what is involved in this case.
Play from 02:10Sierra Brown
Yes, thank you, sir. Um, for the record, my name is Sierra Brown, Code Enforcement Officer with the City of Dover. In reference to case number 25-3259 for 118 Mitscher Road, this case originated on July 1st of 2025 in reference to a complaint about overgrowth and a fence falling down in the rear yard. Um, an initial inspection was performed on 7/1/2025 and found overgrown vegetation um along with wooden fence that was falling in the side and rear yard. On July 14th, uh received a call from the property owner uh Mrs. Deitrick in reference to the notice. Um, an extension was asked for and one was granted until September 1st of 2025. Then on August 28th of 2025, um Chief Code Enforcement Officer Eddie Kopp spoke with Mrs. Deitrick again um and some information was given to her on the reason for the notification that was sent. An on-site meeting was conducted with myself and Eddie Kopp on September 2nd. Violations were discussed so that they could be explained in person to show a little bit more as to what needed to be done to bring the property into compliance.
Play from 02:28Sierra Brown
Um, an exten- an additional extension was granted until October 6th of 2025. Second notice and $100 citation was sent on October 10th. Third notice, a $200 citation was sent on December 23rd of '25. Fourth inspection was conducted on February 24th, and an extension was granted due to icy conditions that were present at the time. A previous appeal on this case was denied on February 18th of 2026. Due to the denied appeal, an additional citation was sent on March 2nd of 2026. I did speak with Mr. Deitrick on April 16th. Um, we had some really good conversations in reference to this. He's very pleasant to work with. Um, an extension was given until May 18th to try to bring the property into compliance. Um, an additional extension was then granted until June 18th. Due to non-compliance on June 18th, another citation was sent on June 25th and again on July 29th. The Ju- July 29th citation is the one that is being appealed today. No other enforcement action has been taken since that appeal was received, and as of today at 2:21, the violations do still exist.
Play from 03:25Andre M. Boggerty
Can you say can you, I kind of mumbled, I kind of lost it. What was the issue with the fence again that might in in 30 in the
Play from 05:03Sierra Brown
So, the original um inspection and reinspections after that revealed that wooden fence panels in the side yard had fallen. It appeared to be due to the extreme amount of overgrowth that had caused deterioration of the fence.
Play from 05:11Andre M. Boggerty
Okay. Okay, and and and how was it brought to the attention of code enforcement?
Play from 05:27Sierra Brown
This was brought to the attention of code enforcement via a citizen complaint.
Play from 05:31Chair
Okay, thank you. Uh Mr. Deitrick? Yes. Uh did did you want to lend your side of the story as to uh
Play from 05:48Mr. Deitrick
I will give you um the best overview I can. Um, the currently I am working on the property to bring everything up to compliance. Uh, if you go around and look at the property, you should notice some uh substantial improvements. Uh, the there's a vine in the backyard that's been growing and it contains some type of poison ivy, poison oak. And regrettably, my trying to attack it and pull it out and clean it by hand makes me break out in the poison ivy, poison oak and I was at the medical center twice, antibiotics too, cuz I react and it I was just broke out all over my arm. So I had to sort of cease and desist on that till I got better. So the second plan of attack was um Roundup, a commercial grade, which I have sprayed all over, and it's killing it down to where it's dead.
Play from 05:54Mr. Deitrick
So, in the autumn, when everything is dead and died down and there's no I can manually pull it and clean it as required. The fence itself uh fell down in a storm. Uh we had a violent windstorm and the posts were rotted. Um, and uh that's the reason why that fell down. I have just uh finally, recently got the fence cleaned off the neighbor's property and sitting in the center of the yard waiting to be disposed of. Uh so that's been addressed. The issues around the front fence, the vegetation, has been uh sprayed and cleaned up, and I going to reapply spray to kill it down and get it to where it is acceptable. Uh, in the backyard itself, uh I actually had a gentleman come in with a uh friend of mine, my at the job I'm at, came in with a backhoe to clear out the, especially in the corner where it was high, to clear it out and put it into a pile in the corner.
Play from 07:24Mr. Deitrick
Uh and of course, unfortunately, it has grown up again over the junk that I got cleared off. Uh it's a matter of my being able to get rid of that and get it disposed of. Uh the City of Dover, uh if I could have them come with a like a crane to pick it up and and take it to the landfill, uh I waive I'll sign any waiver, but they said they couldn't do it for liability reasons, and so on, and so forth. It's regrettable that the property has gotten into this condition. Um, Carol and myself, we recently went through a Chapter 13 bankruptcy, okay? Uh it involves uh my current server of my mortgage changed to another server. And 4 months went by before we realized that we were behind 4 months in the mortgage.
Play from 08:56Mr. Deitrick
And that was really upended our our world. I had to to see a lawyer, and file a 13. And in the process, I'm try- I had to file a 13 and when you file a 13, you have to pay to a trustee, arrearage, whatever is on that trustee payment, and then I have to pay the regular mortgage on top of that. So it was a 5-year plan, and it absolutely just killed me, and financially, just making it paycheck It's My wife is Carol, her name is Carol, she's disabled. She's been in and out of the hospital with uh uh breathing problems, COPD, diabetes, and all those things. I might have to take her to the hospital tonight. Um, and that has been a very time-consuming process. Uh, it- but the main issue is financial. So it's regrettable, I've not I usually, when I first moved in in 2000, I've been in the City of Dover since 2000, I kept that place neat as a pin.
Play from 10:25Mr. Deitrick
But unfortunately, due to my financial circumstances, the property has been I have it's been let go, and I'm in a process I recently was had a job with J&King Transport, Kent Oil Company. Uh I changed jobs, the hours were long, I wasn't getting paid for every hour I was working, it was just a bad situation, and I changed to a new company called Service Energy. So I now have a more regular work schedule. I'm home on Saturdays and Sundays for the most part, because my wife needs more at-home care, so I'm able to work on the property more. I just did not have enough work hours. By the time I got home working 12 to 14 hours a day keeping dump trucks on the road, uh being called in the middle of the night, go out down there to Queen An- down in Queen Anne's County for a truck broke down, I just got down on my health, weak, tired, and just stressed out to a point where I get home, I'm dead tired.
Play from 11:57Mr. Deitrick
And, you know, and it's regrettable, yeah, that I candidly admit the property has been let go, and I don't normally like doing that. So I'm at a point now where I have a lot of work to do, and I'm in the process of trying to uh address those items and get everything back up to snuff. Regretfully, it's going to take more time than I know the city has given me quite a number of um, you know, extensions, and I I like that's appreciative, but I'm now in a position where hopefully I can move forward and start to work on things. But it's just going to take more time than what anybody bargained for. I I have a lot to do, and it's just myself and a single-family income. I'm faced with the possibility we have applied for financial assistance through the State of Delaware for healthcare insurance for her, cuz she lost her healthcare insurance. I'm not trying to give everybody my my um sob story, but this is just relative to as to why things got the way they did.
Play from 13:27Mr. Deitrick
It's an unfortunate. But uh she has uh we have to try to get her some type of I lost my healthcare coverage through the marketplace. First you have it, then you don't. First you have it, then you don't. So I got hospital bills piling up for her being in the hospital that I'll end up having to work out some payment schedule. If I can get her healthcare coverage, that's great. Then I could get on the first year, I can get on the company plan, which is But if I have to put if they she gets denied healthcare coverage through the state, through the social services, okay, then I will have to put her on the company plan, and a cost and the current cost is for every 2 weeks is $445 for a good plan. And I'm making, I'm probably making uh 4,000 a month. It's better than what it was, cuz I'm getting paid for every hour I'm working, on the clock. But still, I'm trying to make it on a single-family income, and it's just that's why you see the car, the van, and I don't have any new fancy cars. You don't see a Lexus. You don't see any of that stuff.
Play from 14:58Mr. Deitrick
And, yeah, that's why the property, unfortunately, has been gone to hell in a hand- pardon my French, but gone to hell in a handbasket. There's that big tree in the front property I need to deal with. That's going to be, uh I know that's not a code enforcement violation at the moment. It, you know, but I'm going to have to get an arborist. Dad's been in the hospital with a, you know, he just had a stroke. So I'm just dealing with that, and just everything's just, I have a lot on my plate. So, unfortunately, in the in the uh shall we say, the day to day the by and by, certain things regrettably get put on the back burner. So if I have money I have to spend for medicine for her, and then I have to go to Lowe's and get $50 worth of weed killer, common sense dictates it's going to go for the medicine first.
Play from 14:59Mr. Deitrick
So that's where we're at, and that's why the property has gone like it has. At first, I never had all that stuff. I mean, she planted stuff, and it's just got overgrown. So I have to get my, you know, get working on it, and just get everything back up to snuff. But I just If I'm fined $1,000 here, $500 here, here, and here, and here, it's it's just it's going to it's going to work against me. I'm being very honest and factual. No disrespect to anybody here. I'm not trying to be rude or anything. But it's just not going to It's not going to help. I got a lot to do, and I got friends I can turn to. If you notice along the back, you go in the back alley, you'll see that along the fence, where that's all been killed. That is commercial grade uh Roundup. Commercial grade. And within a week, it burned that down to nothing. And I'm hoping what I sprayed down in the other areas, I can get that to a point where this autumn, I can start really start going to town with a chainsaw, and cut down that There's a big tree right there where the fence runs up.
Play from 16:11Mr. Deitrick
I want to cut that down before I put any type of new fencing up. I had a temporary snow fence I was going to put up, but I didn't see the feasibility with that stuff being in the road. A couple years ago, had my electric get knocked out, that there was a dead tree in the corner at some lady next door to me, and it dead, it came down and knocked out my electric, and $18,000 it cost my insurance. I had to get that. That was a couple of years ago. And of course, you know, I have stuff in the back that's grown. There's a some it's a Formosa tree, I got to get up there and chop it, get it cut down. So I have a lot to do.
Play from 17:23Campana
Let me let me ask let me ask uh code enforcement uh what is the uh amount of the fine at this point?
Play from 17:53Sierra Brown
Um, the one that's being appealed is $1,000, but currently on this case, there is $2,100.
Play from 17:59Sierra Brown
Um, it would be for the non-compliance of the violations, so the fence and the overgrowth.
Play from 18:10Campana
So other than the fence and the growth, is there any any other violations that you have?
Play from 18:14Sierra Brown
Um, right now the only things that we have on the property is going to be the overgrown vegetation and the fence. Um, other items that were mentioned, like the tree, is not in violation as of yet. So these are the only two that are that are outstanding.
Play from 18:22Campana
So the total is is 2,100 and the fine that we're addressing right now is a thousand?
Play from 18:35Mr. Deitrick
I just want to put out there to the everybody here that it's not my intent to ignore I've received all the letters. I'm not trying to ignore it. It's just I've not had the resources to turn around on. I had to buy the fencing, and at single-family income, it's not been financially possible. So, but I hope moving along, maybe I can figure out something, get some donated fence or something like that, or I'll figure out figure something out. Crossing free, but that's what I've been doing.
Play from 18:43Campana
Well, if the fence was fence that fell down was removed, would would he still be in violation?
Play from 19:13Sierra Brown
So I know uh sections of the fence was removed in the um between two of the properties on the side of the property. Um, the fence in the back of the property is not in violation as of today.
Play from 19:31Property Owner
some type of fence equivalent to what I have? Or is a chain link fence there as a temporary fence, is that a code is that acceptable, or do I have to put it in the same fence that was there?
Play from 19:39Cierra Brown
So, being that you would be changing materials, you'd have to pull a permit for it. Um, so as long I mean, you could do that as long as the permit's approved. Um, but just being the change of materials, you would have to obtain a permit.
Play from 19:52Property Owner
So, it would have to be in the same likeness and wood and all that fun stuff.
Play from 20:04Property Owner
I have to find those sections and drop um haul the post and and put it up then.
Play from 20:10Property Owner
Yeah, it it'll have to I cut them down to the ground. I'll just have to dig a new hole and put it up. Uh but I'd like to get that tree out of the road if I can before I do that.
Play from 20:18Property Owner
But it's just the problem is I've been in this since 2000, and ever since this one neighbor moved next to me, there's been nothing but problems. They've been complaining and complaining and complaining. My goodness. Please, give me a break. They're complaining about stuff in the back. It doesn't affect you people. Yeah, it's my mess, and my property. I know about it. Why are you
Play from 20:33Cierra Brown
So, to get the property into compliance as of right now, the deteriorated sections and fallen sections of fencing would have to be either replaced, or the entire fence would have to be removed. Um, to replace it with a different material, obviously you'd have to get a permit. And then all of the overgrown vegetation on all sides of the property would have to be removed, front, rear, and side yards.
Play from 21:45Campanelli
Yeah. Because to me, that's the easiest way to go right now is to remove what you got in the
Play from 22:13Property Owner
Yeah. You got You got my fence in the back, and then at 112, they put a fence
Play from 23:04Property Owner
Well, I got They got They put a fence like that, they're that close together.
Play from 23:14Property Owner
But for me to get it totally removed, um matter of just cutting things down, I suppose I could have it done in a in 30 days or so. That's just an estimate, but I would rather repair the sections than totally remove it.
Play from 23:18Campanelli
All right. Now to repair it, how long is it going to take you? Um, see now, if you take it down, it's just going to cost you time. If you repair it, it's going to cost you money.
Play from 23:36Property Owner
Yeah, it's going to cost me money. I I would have to obtain uh I'd have to obtain the materials and put it up. We have someone we're talking to about working something out where they would supply that. It's not going to be the same type, but it'll be a wood fencing that
Play from 23:45Property Owner
Uh I would say maybe a couple months, or something like that, two or three months.
Play from 24:03Campanelli
Okay. Uh, and the vegetation part, that's part of this, too, right? How long to get the vegetation out? You make it look It's like, you know, you buy a hamburger at Burger King, it's $5. You go to Hotel duPont, it's $10.
Play from 24:10Property Owner
Yeah, I could probably get that, by end of this autumn, I should have have it done.
Play from 24:41Eddie Kopp
So, if I may, I'd I'll make a recommendation on behalf of Code Enforcement that we, uh, stay enforcement for 90 days, um, to give him the opportunity to bring the property into compliance. Um, the reason we're here today is the age of the case. This case is over a year old and it's beyond, um, extension capabilities from from my office. So, I think 90 days if if you're Do you feel like 90 days is a fair window to be able to
Play from 24:49Eddie Kopp
So, at at this point, we're really looking for compliance with the violations, because they they are over a year. So, we would need compliance, um, with the violations.
Play from 25:24Campanelli
Now, we're asking, can you do it in 90 days? Because that way, you waive the fines. Is that Am I correct on that, there?
Play from 25:49Eddie Kopp
Yes. So, before you today stayed is the $1,000. So, we would my recommendation would be to stay the fine for the 90 days, um, in the event there's not compliance within the 90 days, the fine would be reinstated, and code enforcement action would resume.
Play from 25:55Campanelli
Now, if it's reinstated, that means it's going up, too, right? During those 90 days?
Play from 26:12Eddie Kopp
No, because if Sorry. If enforcement stayed for 90 days, we won't take any further actions because of the stay of enforcement, so no additional fines would be issued during that time.
Play from 26:17Campanelli
Okay. So, is it worth it to you to 3 months to get the place pretty much cleared up?
Play from 26:27Property Owner
I I would I would think so. I would think so. I think that would be fair.
Play from 26:34Property Owner
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it would. Okay. If If I get it within, you know, reason
Play from 26:41Eddie Kopp
So So, at the end of the 90 days, um, if you're not in compliance and code enforcement action resumes, there would be another notice of violation, another citation issued, you would have right to appeal that again to this board, because another action has taken place.
Play from 27:01Eddie Kopp
Yeah. Due to the age of the case, I mean, 90 days is being very How that sound? being being very fair. All right. So,
Play from 27:25Eddie Kopp
um, and we have to be consistent with enforcement we provide. So, I think 90 days is fair. It's It's not my decision, it is ultimately the board, but that's my recommendation.
Play from 27:34Campanelli
Yeah, I recommend we uh stay it for 90 days, and at the end of the 90 days, if it's not done, and you had other problems that caused it not to be done,
Play from 27:49Campanelli
uh with uh a little bit of extra time, if needed. And I'm not talking another 30 days. I'm talking maybe a week, two weeks past the 90-day limit, you know.
Play from 28:01Eddie Kopp
Yeah, but I would If you're going to make a motion, I would keep it keep it at 90.
Play from 28:14Chair
Okay. It's been properly moved and seconded to stay, um, to keep the case stayed for 90 days. Any discussion on the motion?
Play from 28:28Property Owner
Okay. So, it's going to be the fence and then What What about that pile in the corner that I had? That's already been taken down. I don't know why I addressed that, you'll see it there. It's in the corner.
Play from 28:59Cierra Brown
So, if if it's helpful, and as long as the board and Eddie is all right with this, we can do an on-site meeting with you That'd be great. with myself and Eddie, and we can That'd be great. do everything in person so there's no trying to figure it out Right. if that's okay with you.
Play from 29:10Property Owner
Okay. The problem is we get too many In this case, there's been too many chefs in the kitchen.
Play from 29:35Chair
Okay, next item on the agenda is case number 25-00005073 and related to fines to 1200 North DuPont Highway, Delaware State University. Do we have a representative for DSU?
Play from 29:52Chair
All right. We're going to allow Code Enforcement Yeah, that's fine. to share with us the information, and, you know, we'll give you an opportunity as well.
Play from 30:11Cierra Brown
Um, again for the record, my name is Cierra Brown, Code Enforcement Officer with the City of Dover. Case number 25-5073 in reference to 1200 North DuPont Highway, um the Thomasson Building. Case originated from a fire department referral that went to the fire marshal's office and then to Code Enforcement for a joint inspection. Joint inspection was conducted on December 11th, 2025. Um, this inspection was completed with, and if if I'm saying your name wrong, please yell at me, Khalid? Khalid. Yes. Thank you. This uh inspection was conducted with Khalid that day, um and coordinated with him. We spoke via email after the inspection was conducted to advise that the building was being condemned due to the life safety concerns that existed within the building. Um, after the inspection was conducted and notice was originated, email was sent along with information to Khalid on behalf of DSU. Um, he advised that due to the bid process and etcetera that they have to go through being this um corporation, that it wouldn't be until March of 2026 when um the building would be demolished. I reached out via email on January 15th of 2026, due to not hearing from anyone in reference for to an update on the case. I was told that they were in the process, and work would be completed in summer of 2026. An extension was granted until February 19th, 2026. No communication from DSU, but good faith extension was granted until March 10th of 2026. Received an email on March 9th, 2026, stating that the bid package would be complete by the end of March. Come April, no update was provided, and no update was provided in May. So, a second notice was sent on May 15th, 2026. No demo permit was on file, and no update was provided in June. So, a third notice along with a $100 citation was sent on June 25th, 2026. No update was provided in July, so an additional $200 citation sent on 8/7/2026. Email was received with the appeal of the citation on August 27th, 2026. Um, I know that there are pictures provided on the screen. Um, a lot of what you see in the pictures is going to be issues with mold, um structural issues with the floor, um different other different structural members throughout the building. Um, it's for those reasons that the building was condemned. Um, the building, to my knowledge, has been secured, um with no trespassing signs, our condemnation placards, so that there was no unlawful entry into the building.
Play from 30:20Khalid Zerrad
In the center. Yeah, right by Conwell Hall, right by Conwell, yeah, right by the dining facility.
Play from 32:03Khalid Zerrad
So, I uh thank you, guys. Um, my name is uh Khalid, and I work for DSU. I just wanted to let you guys know that DSU was working on and still working in good faith to get this issue resolved. Uh, yes, uh we did hear from the city back in December of last year, but as you guys know, we operate for, you know, via state funds, so we have to have funds from the state to execute certain projects. This one in particular needed to be designed. So, I engaged with Becker Morgan Group I want to say late last year, and started that process with those guys. So, we ended up getting uh biddable documents uh I want to say around maybe April or May, and uh finalized those plans, and I do have a schedule here, and I can tell you guys when we submitted the uh the bid documents to the state. And those exhibits were sent to the state on June of 22nd. And the reason for that, because we needed to wait for the funding source to come from the state. Uh, there was appropriation comes around early June. Uh, so we advertised in July 2026, and uh we ended up uh scheduling a pre-bid July 27th, and we believe it or not, we just received proposals September 15th, and uh on September 25th, which is this Friday, there is a descope uh schedule with the uh uh with the uh lowest uh bidder. So, we are in progress to get, you know, things are moving forward to get the building down. I am uh generated a uh a master schedule earlier today so I can share with you guys. Looking at all this, we should have everything wrapped up by end of the year. So, contractor proposed that he can get everything done in 60 days. Uh like, you know, Ms. Brown said, the building is secured, and we do check it periodically to make sure nobody uh breached those uh closed uh entrances. Uh, what played a big part here is the funding. As you know with all state entities, you don't have fundings, you're not going to be able to execute projects. So, since uh funds were allocated to this project, uh bidding is pretty much wrapped up. There's only two components that are left, which is the contracting phase and the construction phase, which that's where where we're at right now. So, I mean, we are we are behaving in good faith.
Play from 32:36Khalid Zerrad
We We already know. I I do have the lowest bidder. I mean, this information is public. You guys could log in and see it. Uh, but what we have to do, we have to descope with the contractor, they're out of New Jersey, uh, FR Benkey. They're the same company that's doing William Henry. Uh, we have to descope with those guys, go over both exhibits, make sure he understands all the particulars that are listed in the bid documents. Then at that point, all I need to do is draft a contract, send it through our legal counsel, get it signed, send it to them, get it signed, and we'll just have to put a requisition, send it to the state, and get a PO for them. That process usually what, 30 days.
Play from 36:06Khalid Zerrad
Yep, we have funding for it. That's something we had to work through earlier with the new appropriation from the state.
Play from 37:08Chair
A little bit just different situation, um, with with this circumstance, so what what do you think?
Play from 37:17Eddie Kopp
So, um, Right. So, yes, this is a unique situation, uh, but had there been communication with Code Enforcement along the way, the citations wouldn't have wouldn't have been issued. Um,
Play from 37:26Khalid Zerrad
Well, no, I mean from from when after we met, I mean, there were some emails that were sent to you guys. And we're
Play from 37:52Cierra Brown
On on March 9th, I received an email. Um, that was the only email that was received without reaching out first from myself. Um, the email that was sent the day of the condemnation on December 11th, um, I made sure to state in an email that open communication would need to happen by the follow-up date each month to ensure that extensions extensions needed to be issued, we could do that. Um, like I stated, in January, I did not receive any email, so I had to reach out. Then I got the update, granted an extension. Um, no communication was received in March, no communication was received in April, no communication was received in May, um, and then in the appeal being received on August 27th was the last was the next communication that was received.
Play from 37:59Khalid Zerrad
Yeah, however, I mean, just I I want everybody to understand that. I wish I brought the emails. I mean, in the body of the emails, there were some specific information how DSU kind of managed projects and the timeline that takes for our projects to come into fruition, like
Play from 38:59Applicant
I did not have any updates in a month in like in a 30 day period, for example, because a lot of times it'll be December, January, I'm not going to know anything about funds until around mid-May, June before I even know what how much money the state's going to appropriate for next year. So, I just didn't want to waste their time sending a collage of emails with no content, so.
Play from 39:19Eddie Kopp
If I may. So, Mr. Chair, the reason we require that, so we have some tangible evidence on why we are delaying enforcement, right? Because there's still an active violation in there. I understand, you know, purchasing and everything else with the state. We work with insurance companies all the time, you're not alone. So even private residents, there's times to where insurance companies are dragging their feet and that can go on. And all we ask for is, hey, provide us an update every month. And there are times to where we can send a notice of violation that can be used for the insurance company.
Play from 39:54Eddie Kopp
So we do require that 30-day follow-up because in lack of follow-up it's basically the violation is being ignored and not that DSU is going to do this, but we have to be fair and consistent with everyone. Usually when communication stops, it's no longer their worry and they run away. So yes, it's unfortunate that you have the purchase of policy, but we have to be consistent with the way we treat everyone and although it may be repetitive, but that 30-day follow up is critical for these cases. Like I explained to everyone, everything we do can be FOIA requested, so we're just not If we're not holding you accountable, but we're holding John Doe over here accountable, they could show like we're being biased towards Right.
Play from 41:14Applicant
Right. Well, I understand. With all due respect, I mean, I thought when I crafted an email with timelines and, you know, and valid information on how we kind of do things, I thought that was going to suffice. That was my bad. I mean, I could have always piggybacked off that same email and said, "Hey, I don't have any updates," but I didn't want to be repetitive because in my world, we don't typically do that, you know?
Play from 42:43Eddie Kopp
Yeah. And that's important for us because what we do, we put case comments in the case and that shows that that history. Oh, hey, here we are. Here we are. But that's the reason for it, just so you're aware why we do that. And it's not just for DSU, that's how we treat everyone, so.
Play from 43:11Applicant
Yeah, yeah, everything is in motion right now, yes. We did get bids, we have a descope scheduled for this Friday at 9:00. It's you know, it's public. So, and I'm hoping, you know, once If everything goes well, we can start drafting the contract and get this guy a PO and have him mobilize and take it down. It's like 60 days, that's that's what it says on his bid form, so.
Play from 43:38Board Member 2
Stay yeah, stay the case because I used to be in government, so I know how it works. That's understandable. And he's he's their mouthpiece right now.
Play from 45:05Board Member 2
It should be done. And you understand every month you've got to send those guys and let them even if it's a repeat, just let them know.
Play from 46:00Staff Member
Yep, if you don't have it, I'll give you one of my cards. It's the same email we contacted through before. Okay.
Play from 46:13Board Member
Okay, well, it's been properly moved to stay the case till December 31st, 2026. Do I have a second?
Play from 46:19Staff Member
Yes. May I ask for clarification? Does that stay the fine as well, just so it's spelled out? Thank you.
Play from 46:40Board Member
Stays the fine as well. Any any further discussion? All in favor, please state by saying aye.
Play from 46:46Board Member
Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, sir. Next item on the agenda is the appeal of case 26-00002654 and related fines for 151 North Queen Street, Elaine and Coleman Investment LLC. Is there anyone here representing? Miss Moseley's on the line. Miss Moseley.
Play from 46:56Eddie Kopp
I am presenting this case on behalf of John England. At the time this appeal board was scheduled, John had a had already had an appointment scheduled, so that's why he's not here.
Play from 48:30Eddie Kopp
So I'm going to read the notes from Mr. England. This case started on 4/8 of 2026 where Mr. England was notified by customer service via email that the utilities were terminated on 4/7/2026. On On July 7, 2026, the case was opened after 90 days of no service. Vacant building letter was mailed certified and the property owner had 30 days to register and pay the $375 fee, which would have been August 7, 2026. On August 10, 2026, the property was not registered and Mr. England registered the the property on behalf of the owner and sent a letter advising as such. This is in accordance with the vacant building ordinance.
Play from 49:25Eddie Kopp
The mail was signed for It says the mail was signed for, but on 8/19 of 2026, the returned certified mail was posted on the door at 9:53 a.m. Let me just look, cuz I'm reading his notes, but Hm. So it looks like the mail was signed for, however, it was returned at the same time, so I don't know how that happened.
Play from 50:13Eddie Kopp
But it was signed for Okay, so it looks like the registration notice was signed for and then the notice that was registered was returned, so that was posted on the door. Just for clarification.
Play from 51:23Eddie Kopp
It does appear that the property was deemed vacant due to the lack of utilities. So there was no utilities at the property. By code, a property is not habitable without utilities, so therefore, it would be deemed vacant.
Play from 51:40Board Member
And this all happened in this year, 2026? That's correct. And he got notified that the utilities were cut off and waited the 90 days to see if they would be cut back on? That's correct.
Play from 52:43Board Member
Okay. All right, so anybody have anything to add? Do we want to hear from Miss Moseley? Miss Moseley, can you hear us?
Play from 52:55Elaine Moseley
Certainly, certainly. Uh this is a rental property and we were in the process of an eviction uh when the uh utilities were terminated in April. We uh went through the entire process and were granted um uh the property back to us July 7th.
Play from 53:11Elaine Moseley
And I included a copy of our summary possession of that. Uh and then, of course, then we received the notice that we were being um placed on the uh vacancy list. And uh and then I appealed.
Play from 53:36Board Member
Okay, so in in that timeframe, up to this date, is there still no electric at the rental property?
Play from 54:35Elaine Moseley
Correct. There is no uh electric not due to this particular property. However, we have an additional property that affects all of the other properties. So um as far as I can't have any electric turned on on that property and that property is ready to go, except for the exterior door, I see some some issues, but however, it's ready to go. So
Play from 54:46Elaine Moseley
I'm working with Mr. Kopp, I just as far as we've only had the property for a month and then it's deemed vacant. We'd like to turn on the utilities. However, um fees or fines from one other property which has been deemed vacant uh affects all of the other properties.
Play from 55:15Elaine Moseley
Because it's owned by the same persons. So if you own one property and have a fine, like uh my rental permits, I submitted payments for all of those for the other properties, they were denied all on a separate property that is not part of our rental system, it's it's our our our our home.
Play from 56:26Eddie Kopp
No, so she's referencing Clean Hands. So she's subject to Clean Hands, which is why
Play from 56:49Eddie Kopp
Clean Hands. Because all all outstanding fines owed to the city have to be brought current.
Play from 56:56Eddie Kopp
So I believe uh the licensing staff flagged this for Clean Hands due to uh outstanding fees.
Play from 57:06Elaine Moseley
Uh, please let them know that it was applied for and paid for and and it was not accepted.
Play from 57:17Elaine Moseley
Because of Clean Hands, I think is what he Okay. mentioned, something like that concerning a different property, yes, which is not a rental property.
Play from 57:28Elaine Moseley
And well, I'll leave that alone because that's that's a whole 'nother story with that property. Okay. It is a property that is vacant at this time, however, we pay utilities on the property, we have an alarm system on the property, yet they want us to to pay the vacancy fee.
Play from 57:38Elaine Moseley
So that is now affecting the other properties like this one where I cannot turn on the utilities and would like to. So that's the last conversation I had with Mr. Kopp.
Play from 57:59Eddie Kopp
Um at at this time the property is vacant in accordance with the City of Dover code of ordinances. Code Enforcement would recommend denying the appeal based on the the fact that it does meet the requirement of a vacant building under chapter 22.
Play from 58:24Eddie Kopp
So so Clean Hands would be any fees against a property owner, which there is another another property that does have a vacant building case on it that's it's being held up by Clean Hands.
Play from 58:49Eddie Kopp
determination, determination today would be whether to keep the fee or to waive the fee.
Play from 58:59Eddie Kopp
So, no action today would override the the uh the Clean Hands Ordinance because it's not subject to appeal. What's subject to appeal is is specific to case 26 26-54 in reference to the vacant building case.
Play from 59:14Chair
Now if if uh if she has a payment plan established with customer service, where does How You probably can't answer this, but how does Clean Hands Ms. Duca, would you know about the Clean Hands? Like is there any way of this LLC, after we resolve this, of getting a license so that we can get somebody in the house and they can register the electric on their own or whatever?
Play from 59:35Sharon Duca
If they're on a signed payment plan, that should override the effects because you're going to be paying on it over a separate period of time.
Play from 1:00:06Chair
So how how did how did Clean Hands Because you said, ma'am, that you have a payment plan already established or do you need to...
Play from 1:00:16Ms. Moseley
No, no, no, it it it hasn't been established. Each year, I had paid the vacancy fee through payments, and the There was an issue for for last year and that's where we're having an an issue. But I've been paying it annually, the the vacancy fee. So that's why we haven't been here. And I have no problem paying, you know, a portion of that vacancy fee to so we're up to 2026 and this $5,000.
Play from 1:00:23Eddie Kopp
So for clarification, because she's been making payments on a self-made payment plan, there's there's no contract or no document um with the city. So although it's it's her own version of a payment plan, she could very well carry that on by um contracting with the city, basically they they write up an agreement that you're going to make said payments, and that could rectify this um that that could solve this. And
Play from 1:01:07Eddie Kopp
Because this the Clean Hands that we're discussing, although it's a vacant building, it is on the tax um
Play from 1:01:44Ms. Moseley
It certainly does. Certainly does, and I will reach out to them tomorrow.
Play from 1:02:00Andre M. Boggerty
No, you you all I put my hand down because you all answered it because it it appears to me Thank you, Chair, first of all. It appears to me that there's been a good faith to at least address it and it wasn't completely ignored. And um and um so I I'll I'll I won't continue, but I just I uh you answered my questions, but there is good faith. Um is there My only question is, what is the What is the expected time period? So as uh as Cole as Officer Kopp said, we don't want to, you know, we want to put some parameters on it when it comes to time. So what's a realistic, expected time period to allow that to happen? And I yield and once you
Play from 1:02:09Eddie Kopp
Uh I recommend to stay the fee of $375 for 30 days um to grant the property owner time to enter into a payment plan with customer service. Um In the event that 30 after 30 days, that payment plan hasn't been established and utilities haven't been um restored for the property, we would continue enforcement and reinstate the $375.
Play from 1:03:00Chair
All right. Properly moved properly moved and seconded to accept staff recommendation to stay uh the case for 30 days. Um and you have the rest of that, right, Madam Clerk?
Play from 1:03:48Chair
Okay, we're going to move on to item 4 on the agenda. It's appeal for case number 26- 00000341 and related fines to 36 Arbor Drive, Lee and Janette Dennis. Would that be you?
Play from 1:04:30Eddie Kopp
All right. Again, I'm Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer. I am present on behalf of on behalf of John England due to a appointment. Um I'm going to go over his notes. So, on February 2nd, 2026, the case was open as a result of posting return, certified mail um on 1/30/2026. The initial case, 25- 5160, first notice was sent certified. I apologize, I'm just trying to get through these notes.
Play from 1:04:56Eddie Kopp
Okay. So, the case was opened on 12/31/2025 per email from Code Enforcement Officer Thomas Miller. The email stated the water and electric was terminated on 8/19 of 2025 and appears from utilities no usage and vacant since 3/4 of 2025. Um On February 2nd, Mr. England spoke with Mr. Lee Davis via phone after he was informed by the neighbor that there was a posting on the door. He advised of his wife's passing and that he was in Georgia taking care of thanks. Uh February 6, 2026, utilities were initiated. February 6, 2026, uh VBO vacant building ordinance case number 25-5161 fee of $375 was paid.
Play from 1:05:33Eddie Kopp
March 2nd of 2026, the homeowner was on location with the HVAC contractor on site. We talked about the status, he was trying to regroup since the loss of his wife and he had a plumber help to fix a broken pipe. I told him I would hold off citations since it appeared he was trying to move in the right direction. Uh March 2nd, 2026, second notice mailed, certified, no citations. March 3rd, 2026, posted return mail at 11:41 a.m. March 11, 2026, met with Mr. Lee Dennis Mr. Sorry, Mr. England met met with Mr. Lee Dennis's brother, Ed Dennis, in the lobby and went over the open cases. He told me he was trying to assist his brother, come into compliance, they do have utilities and are working on the interior. I gave a 60-day inspection from April 2nd, 2026, to June 2nd, 2026.
Play from 1:06:24Eddie Kopp
March 20th, 2026, there was a phone call and email from Mr. Ed Dennis, thanking me and or thanking Mr. England and went over the whole situation again. Uh June 1st, 2026, an email from Mr. Ed Davis asking for another 60-day extension and that an interior or that an interior inspection to take place no sooner than August 2nd of 2026. June 1st of 2026, I emailed Mr. Ed Davis giving him one last 60-day in extension and scheduled the interior inspection for August 5th, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. August 5th, 2025, or I think that should say '26, I apologize, interior inspection at 10:00 a.m. was a no-show. All condemned placards were removed. Exterior light to the front porch, side rod, and rear French doors, the property was re-placarded and photos taken. August 5th, third notice and $100 citation mailed for noncompliance with response by September 7th of 2026. August 18, 2026, posted return certified mail at 10:54. Um September 2nd, 2026, the VBO inspection still it appeared vacant, secure. October I'm sorry, September 2nd, 2026, and September 8, 2026, drive-by photo taken to show placard were removed again. Uh September 8th, 2026, fourth notice and 20 $200 citation mailed certified for noncompliance and then September 10th of 2026, safe place received an appeal letter from Mr. Dennis.
Play from 1:07:25Eddie Kopp
So it appears this property um the root cause of the problem here with the citations being issued are for uh failure to schedule an interior inspection, which is required um under the Vacant Building Ordinance in chapter 22 uh. That noncompliance did result in citations being issued uh for the noncompliance.
Play from 1:09:09Eddie Kopp
Of Of the Vacant Building Ordinance uh, which does require interior inspections annually um anytime a building has been registered as vacant.
Play from 1:09:34Lee Dennis
Well, I mean, I think it's he laid out I guess the skeleton aspects of it. My wife did was very ill.
Play from 1:09:52Lee Dennis
Right. Very suddenly she passed. From the standpoint that it did it has taken me some time to, you know, try to put things a little bit back together.
Play from 1:10:04Lee Dennis
It has it's been complicated by the fact that they've was physician here in town for 25 years or whatever, 30 years. And I had uh closed the office. The requirements for charts, billing doesn't automatically stop and any of those things. And, of course, uh with the selling of the of our building and what not, a lot of that stuff that wasn't able wasn't put in storage was brought to the house to be able to produce charts and other things. So, you know, we've got the boxes, you know, around in the living spaces and things along that line, an entire office computer system inside the house.
Play from 1:10:17Lee Dennis
And we have she and I for years, as many people around here actually do, whether you guys know it or not, have vacant houses every year because the ordinance is 90 days or whatever in terms of it, it's only when electricity gets cut off. In our particular circumstances, then issue ended up just simply being that it all happened at a at a extremely poor period of time. And and we were committed to have to leave, which we have we have done for 10 years, uh starting in October and then we don't usually return, uh you know, as returning as staying in the house really until May, April.
Play from 1:11:05Lee Dennis
Uh I had no idea that if I'm out of the house for 90 days that that's considered to be a vacant house. That's one. Two, I was not really aware of the fact that that any that really there was any issues with it. Electricity, to be honest with you, at the point that I was at with my wife, you could have talked to me, really wouldn't have mattered. I mean, you know, I I've dedicated my life to taking care of people, and then when I needed it, no money for cancer research. It wasn't like they could hide it from me. It just stopped. One day, it just stopped. Somebody took a switch and said, "No."
Play from 1:11:54Lee Dennis
And the reality behind it was that there wasn't anything going to stop me from giving her what The only thing I could give her was me for the last six months of her life.
Play from 1:13:02Lee Dennis
So I apologize to the city and everybody else for having a house that, if you looked inside of it, looked like it wasn't the best organized house in the in the world.
Play from 1:13:14Lee Dennis
But as to what I'm being asked to do now, I'm I'm having trouble because, I mean, I've had the house now, you know, wood floors torn out and drywall over here. I didn't cut the electricity, of course, it got cut off, $39 bill. And I don't have to tell any of you guys that, you know, this has probably been the worst winter we've had in I don't know, I'm 70 years old, I don't remember it being too much worse than this, maybe looking when I was younger. So as you can imagine, the pipes didn't make it.
Play from 1:13:27Lee Dennis
Uh I had to shut the water off to the house, but I didn't realize that construction guys can pull valves leading to the house, and, of course, it cracked to that valve. Uh So it's taken me a while to be able to try to get things back in some kind of shape. My older brother decided it would be best maybe for him to try to help me with this particular process in terms of it because it's it was never never as simple as as all that.
Play from 1:14:25Eddie Kopp
I just need to clarify one thing um before you today, yes, there is a vacant building case and, according to his notes, my mistake is I assume this is a vacant building case, but this particular case, 26-341, is in reference to a dangerous building case. There is a dangerous building and a vacant building case on this property. Um So the citations were issued for failure to correct the dangerous
Play from 1:15:22Eddie Kopp
Uh dangerous building would be the dangerous building was established due to the lack of electricity. Um Once the electricity is restored, we would just do a inspection of the property to be safe. Um But due to testimony here today, that with what was explained, it would the combination wouldn't be able to be lifted if it is missing floors and it's in a state of disrepair uh that was explained here today. So
Play from 1:15:48Eddie Kopp
the unfortunately, the dangerous building case would remain in effect. Um I think at this juncture, it would be worth asking um to estimate time is there a time period to when the property would be brought into compliance to where we could maybe extend the case and try to help?
Play from 1:16:17Lee Dennis
Well, see, I have a great deal of difficulty because it's difficult for me to be able to because now you're telling me something that's new. Didn't know this.
Play from 1:16:36Lee Dennis
Well, it was condemned, but never really given a reason for condemned. So you understand that you said on on February the 2nd there was a notice for vacancy, correct?
Play from 1:16:45Eddie Kopp
So So I do stand corrected. It was uh it's a dangerous building, and I can read to you what was in the letter uh for the condemnation. Says, "This property is condemned due to lack of active utilities and unsanitary conditions observed at the front uh of the property. Make all necessary repairs and contact the Division of Code Enforcement to have the condemnation lifted." So that was the notice that was sent. That was a second case. Um The condemnation case was additional to the vacant building case that started last year, which had been case 25-5161, which is the vacant building case that started uh the previous year. So there's two cases on the property.
Play from 1:17:02Lee Dennis
So understand that I Friday, it's it's uh Friday, it's vacant, which is what I find out. Monday, it's condemned.
Play from 1:17:47Eddie Kopp
What It does make sense as I read through his notes is it looks like it has been legally placarded, and the placards have been removed on several occasions based on Mr. England's notes. So uh when we placard a property, all entry points to the property will be placarded with condemned. That's the notices he's referring to that's been removed from the property is those um those condemned placards. So although we send notice, we do send a certified notice, we also placard the building, and it does appear that Mr. England has replacarded the building at least on two occasions based on his notes.
Play from 1:17:55Lee Dennis
Well, if he's replacarded it on two occasions, you've got somebody that's stealing placards. That's one. Two, I would suggest that you put on better glue than the glue that you put it on because if you put that on the front of my door, which faces due east,
Play from 1:18:30what the city
went through and there's nothing, isn't going to give me any evidence that it's a condemnable piece of property.
Play from 1:18:38Mrs. Pratt
Um, if I can, I I did visit the property uh once with Mr. Emlen back in the winter, um to assist with, I believe the first time that he placarded them, excuse me for not having the exact dates. Um, to my recollection, it was being condemned at that point due to the lack of utilities. So um although it it almost seems that they would be the same thing, the vacant building case is in reference to the fact of the property's not habitable, or the property's not being um used as a dwelling at the moment, and then the condemnation case is based off the lack of utilities at the property.
Play from 1:18:50what the city
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not they can be, they are related because the way that you know a house, by your definitions, because I continue to say, if the house is vacant, where am I? Where do I exist? If the house is vacant. So-
Play from 1:19:37what the city
Somewhere else, I guess, cuz... Right. But not really, cuz that's my home.
Play from 1:20:32what the city
I live on a boat that has no electricity. I can live without electricity. So, like, that's not, that to me is just a germane issue in terms of it. It's it's merely, it's vacant by your definition of what is vacant, and I'm willing to concede that 90 days of somebody not being in a house is vacant. You were keyed off to it by the fact that the electricity got cut off. That's what cues it up in terms of it. That's fine, I'm not going to deny any of that. It's how we move from vacant to condemned in such a short period of time, no ability to correct in terms of it from this standpoint, and the fact that by looking in windows, you're able to make determinations that I can't correct for you to then be able to look into those same windows and see that those issues have been corrected.
Play from 1:20:43Mrs. Pratt
If I may, sir. Um, if I can try to to shed some light on that, the International Code Council um has the International Property Maintenance Code, and that's what we use to govern a a lot of our property maintenance violations. So, in the International Property Maintenance Code, it does reference under um I believe it's section 108, which is general. Um, it states that any property that has been vacant for longer than 90 days and any property without active utilities—water, electric, um or gas if your gas service um takes care of your heat, water heater, things of that nature—that would make it condemnable, so that would make it to where it's uninhabitable. Um, anything that is, you know, without those utilities makes it to where it's not safe for human habitation. So that's where the condemnation comes in. It did start with the vacant building, condemnation came in due to the lack of utilities as well. So, I can understand the confusion, but they do kind of go together in a situation where there isn't any utilities.
Play from 1:22:22Director Copp
Um, and and just a caveat on that, uh Mrs. Pratt is correct. But when it comes to condemnation, you don't need but one uh one of those factors, and the fact it could very well be utilities. Uh the lack of utilities is um, unfortunately, a health and life safety concern, which is why the ICC recognizes it as a condemn factor, and uh a condemnation was placed. So, even if the building was not vacant and even if there was not a previous case, the lack of utilities for a property uh would require the condemnation based on that. And the ICC code's just just for the record, um the International Code Council, 2009 International Property Maintenance Code, was adopted in chapter 22-221 of the Dover Code of Ordinances. So, that section was adopted in code, and that's the code that we're referencing.
Play from 1:24:08Andre M. Boggerty
All right, thank you. Um, again, think uh I'm I'm leaning in to try to hear. Um, I I think I I think you I think it was stated just for clarity that you currently or you alternate your time between the boat and the home, is that what I heard you saying?
Play from 1:26:07Andre M. Boggerty
All right, and if there's no, um, and then in the home, and you said you're able to live without electricity-
Play from 1:27:05what the city
You can use solar, and use a generator power. Those are the powers I have.
Play from 1:27:24what the city
When it comes to the home, the home is not, the home didn't require any power. The hot water heater was on in terms of it. Um, I I did not really intend for the power to be cut off uh at all, so just understand that I was not aware that the power had even been necessarily uh uh cut off from it. If anything, my major problem in my house had been my heat had gone off. So, our gas heater was no longer a functional part of the house.
Play from 1:27:32Andre M. Boggerty
Yeah, and my colleague raised a uh a point, although we're supposed to bifurcate, but I will raise the point again, um winter's coming, how and you know, what does that look like um with no heat?
Play from 1:28:44what the city
Are we talking about currently? Are we talking about currently, because we're about to head this all off. You do realize that the house is being renovated. All the floors have been stripped, the drywall work is being done in terms of it, the heat has been replaced. That stuff has been kind of a known deal throughout this whole period of time. So, the power and the heat was restored within 30 days of notification.
Play from 1:28:59what the city
Oh, yeah. The house has had power as soon as I've realized that the house didn't have power and that that was an issue, the house I had to re-power the house in order to try to do anything in the house.
Play from 1:29:27Andre M. Boggerty
Okay, that I'm sorry. And and it part of me it may sound redundant, but I if you see me leaning in, again, you know, I I didn't want to come and pass this bug around to individuals, but I definitely wanted to be in attendance. So maybe you said it and I and unfortunately it passed me. All right. And and then and then now that the house is being redone, uh um Mr. Cop- uh Officer Copp, is that is the work that's being redone in the house, is that something that has required permits, or no work, the work is not like internal work is not something, the work being done is not something that needed, required permits, that does not require permits?
Play from 1:29:36Director Copp
Um, so just just for clarification, um, in review of the permits, I do see a mechanical permit was issued April 2nd of 2026 for this property. Um, I do not see any residential renovation permit, which would be required if floors are being replaced. If it's as simple as as drywall, that's not structural, that's cosmetic, but when it comes in terms of a floor, it would require um a residential renovation permit, which I do not see on file.
Play from 1:30:57what the city
And when we're talking about flooring, are we are we talking about the carpet, or are we talking about subfloor?
Play from 1:32:08Director Copp
I guess the best question would be what is the scope of work being conducted in the house at this time?
Play from 1:32:19what the city
Drywall and carpet and uh Okay. planking. Okay. Flooring. Wood All right. Oh. LVP.
Play from 1:32:25Director Copp
Okay. Okay, so so that changes things. Um, would it be, I mean I think the best way to resolve this case would be to uh conduct an inspection. I mean, Right. the way the way it was described, the way my interpretation of it is when you first described it was the floors are not walkable, right, it's unsafe to walk on.
Play from 1:32:34what the city
I I see, again, everything that you're talking about and, you know, you can surely draw that conclusion from from your mind, but you can't look in the building and see it, you can't walk on the floors and see it. So, I'm not really sure, and since this is the first you have any inclination that there was ever any water leakage in the house, you're being told that now. So, what the I'm trying to figure out how you knew in the in the past what was going to be told to you in the future.
Play from 1:32:56Director Copp
Where we're at now, since the electric's been restored, if we're able to inspect the property, that resolves the case. Uh at this point, based on your your testimony, if it's just drywall and floor, it wouldn't require a permit. Um the electric's restored, we verify the electric's restored, um we verify there's uh no life safety concerns, the case is closed.
Play from 1:34:14what the city
And all I need to find out is what are the things that are so incorrect that I need to have corrected for you to be able to come in, because that became my issue. So, I couldn't tell a subcontractor this is what you need to correct, because this is what the city inspectors have told me are the issues. Right. So-
Play from 1:34:38Director Copp
I I think at this point um we want to get this case resolved. Now, there could be additional uh additional concerns there. I can't-
Play from 1:35:34what the city
See, that's my issue with you. You're like saying to me, I got to let you come in, poke through my house, look around, see what you want to find, and then write up, and not have me be able to correct it before you get there, because you did that was the reason for you to be there.
Play from 1:35:47Director Copp
So, since there is a active vacant building case on there, it would require an annual interior inspection of the property. It's all going down the same road. So-
Play from 1:36:03Director Copp
I'm trying to get resolved for this now. So if the electric's been restored and there's no major concerns, if you have cosmetics, like you stated, uh your stuff from your office is there, that's your personal home, so it's not business. So if you have your office materials there that's being stored there, it's your private residence. So, I do know there's a thing in the vacant building ordinance about storage. This is a residential property, it's your property, this isn't a business. So if it was a business being used as storage, then that's where that factor comes in, but because this is your private residence, right, the storage you it's your residence as long as it's not-
Play from 1:36:14what the city
Can I They weren't stored there in terms of it, they are actively being worked on. And they're being stored in a separate site. So most all of that medical stuff, everything that was in the office was actually in storage, I had storage for it. The stuff that's out of that was stuff that you need to have in order to-
Play from 1:37:34Director Copp
Right, so so I just wanted to explain, that would not be a factor here because it is your private residence. It's It's not a business that's being used as storage. So that would not be a factor, that would not be something we would be concerned with. Uh our only concern is is it going to fall apart, basically. The structure. The structure, and-
Play from 1:37:52what the city
And now it'd be some pictures that you can produce, something that you can produce that I could then turn around and explain to somebody,
Play from 1:38:11Appellant
That's the best I get, we'll get what we get, guys. So just understand that. I don't, I personally don't think that this is appropriate. Okay? That's, that's...
Play from 1:38:30Board Chair
Well, we don't, you don't have two minutes. We already, we already passed judgment on it.
Play from 1:38:50Appellant
I understand that in terms of it, but I'm taking two minutes to get to the board.
Play from 1:38:54Appellant
I just don't, I don't think that this is, I don't think that this is accomplishing what you think it's accomplishing. It's just going to make more bad will.
Play from 1:39:00Appellant
No, because somebody's able to come to my house and peek in my windows in terms of it and say, 'Oh, we need to come into this place', make statements that really might put the city in a little bit of, in a little bit of jeopardy and that you can't make you know statements that you cannot back up...
Play from 1:39:11Board Chair
Well, I have to make one statement before we go any further. Uh without, since there's no further business for the Construction Property Maintenance Code Enforcement Board of Appeals, I now call this meeting adjourned.
Play from 1:40:11Appellant
No, that's all right. But just understand that. I don't, you know, this to me is a, is very evasive.
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